![]() KEVIN FRIEND: I'm 50-60 hours a week, yeah. So I was going to say, ever since I had kids was when I started to get really, like, anxious about the house being not organized. ![]() I teach intercultural communication a few days a week. KONDO: (Through interpreter) So both of you work. This was between Marie Kondo and a couple, Rachel and Kevin Friend. GREENE: I want to play a clip from one conversation that happened in an episode. And her methods of cleaning also incorporate a lot of stuff about feeling good and happy, rather than just make your office more functional. And it's kind of a encouragement to be at peace and take care of yourself. But I think this one is different because it brings together that genre of television but also what you might call self-care culture, which is mostly aimed at women. There have even been other cleaning and organizing shows. HOLMES: Well, there haven't just been lots of home makeover shows. So where does this fit in the constellation of all those shows? GREENE: The idea of a reality show that is about making over your home or making over your life, that's not new. HOLMES: Yeah, I think if that was all that people took away from this, they'd feel like it was worthwhile. Like, I learned exactly how to fold a fitted sheet which is something I've been struggling with since - I don't know - like, I was 12. GREENE: It is, right? And you learn things. She's host of NPR's Pop Culture Happy Hour. ![]() GREENE: To help us understand how this famous de-clutterer became such a sensation, I spoke to Linda Holmes. She has people go through all of their possessions and throw out anything that doesn't spark joy. GREENE: Now Marie Kondo has a reality show on Netflix. (SOUNDBITE OF TV SHOW, "TIDYING UP WITH MARIE KONDO") ![]() Four years ago, a Japanese organizing consultant published a book that was called "The Life Changing Magic Of Tidying Up." ![]()
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